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Welcome to The Pinnacle Take, the podcast powered by the Pinnacle Society — an exclusive network of the top 1% of recruiters across North America. Each episode dives deep into the minds of elite search professionals who consistently achieve industry-leading results. From proven business development strategies to candidate mastery, leadership insights, and navigating market shifts, you’ll hear what it truly takes to reach the highest levels of success in recruiting.
Whether you’re a recruiter looking to break through plateaus, a staffing leader aiming to scale, or simply curious about how the best of the best operate, this show gives you a front-row seat to the strategies, tools, and mindset of world-class recruiters.
Welcome to The Pinnacle Take, the podcast powered by the Pinnacle Society — an exclusive network of the top 1% of recruiters across North America. Each episode dives deep into the minds of elite search professionals who consistently achieve industry-leading results. From proven business development strategies to candidate mastery, leadership insights, and navigating market shifts, you’ll hear what it truly takes to reach the highest levels of success in recruiting.
Whether you’re a recruiter looking to break through plateaus, a staffing leader aiming to scale, or simply curious about how the best of the best operate, this show gives you a front-row seat to the strategies, tools, and mindset of world-class recruiters.
Episodes

Wednesday Nov 26, 2025
Wednesday Nov 26, 2025
Are you a recruiter feeling trapped by stagnant billings and relentless burnout? Looking for proven tactics to break through your plateau and reignite your passion for the business? This episode of The Pinnacle Take Podcast, hosted by Benjamin Mena, welcomes powerhouse guest Justis Pederson, president and CEO of The Peterson Group, as he unpacks his transformational journey from plateaued recruiter to hitting $1.5M in revenue—all while forging a new lifestyle.
Discover how Justis Pederson leveraged door-to-door sales grit, specialized industry focus, and a bold digital transformation to revolutionize his recruitment practice in construction and engineering. Learn the game-changing mindset shifts and strategies that propelled him past his barriers, and uncover the ROI of creative, industry-specific content on LinkedIn. Plus, hear candid insights into how embracing sobriety translated into exponential business and personal growth.
Key takeaways:
- Mindset & Niching Down: Learn how identifying and committing to a specialized recruiting niche accelerates long-term success and client relationships.
- Digital Transformation: Explore practical content tactics—from copywriting to client spotlight videos—that generate inbound leads and top-quality candidates.
- Personal Reinvention: Understand how prioritizing wellness and personal development can directly impact your recruiting effectiveness and business results.
Tune in now to reshape your recruiting trajectory, break through the ceiling, and create the thriving life and career you deserve!
Pinnacle Society: https://pinnaclesociety.org/
Justis Pederson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justis-pederson-a3b091a4/

Wednesday Oct 22, 2025
How to Thrive When the Market Tanks: Sean Rigsby’s Playbook for Recruiters Facing Chaos
Wednesday Oct 22, 2025
Wednesday Oct 22, 2025
What does it take to not only survive, but thrive when the recruiting market is turned upside down? In this eye-opening episode of the Pinnacle Take Podcast, host Benjamin Mena sits down with veteran recruiter and Pinnacle Society member Sean Rigsby, who shares his 30+ years of lessons in building a resilient desk—even when faced with market downturns, political chaos, and sudden industry shifts. From his humble beginnings (where he was “last man standing” out of 100 new hires!) to leading Rigsby Search Group through multiple recessions, Sean reveals real-world strategies for recruiters determined to outlast unpredictable markets.
- Adapting When Everything Changes: Learn exactly how Sean pivoted his niche and business model in response to national legislation, budget freezes, and industry-wide cutbacks—plus how to spot where opportunity still exists when the usual job orders disappear.
- Relationship-Driven Business Development: Discover why Sean’s “unsales” approach and high-touch client relationships led all his clients to follow him when launching his own agency.
- Mindset and Execution During Uncertainty: Get practical tips for maintaining focus, doubling workflow, and managing distractions for peak productivity—even through the roughest stretches. Whether you’re a recruiter navigating the current market turmoil, struggling with candidate engagement, or looking to move up the ranks, this episode is packed with actionable insights that will help you stay ahead.
Don’t miss this candid conversation—listen now and unlock the exact playbook you need to come out stronger than ever!
Pinnacle Society: https://pinnaclesociety.org/
Connect with Sean Rigsby on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanrigsbyenvironmentalrecruiter/

Wednesday Sep 24, 2025
Unfiltered Insights: How Michael Silverstein Builds Elite Recruitment Teams
Wednesday Sep 24, 2025
Wednesday Sep 24, 2025
Ready to break free from the recruiting hamster wheel and discover the strategies top billers use to scale their success? In this eye-opening episode of the Pinnacle Take Podcast, host Benjamin Mena sits down with Michael Silverstein, a powerhouse recruiter consistently one of the top in the industry. Michael reveals how he leveraged his toughest years—starting in 2008’s economic downturn—to build not just a desk, but an entire healthcare tech and life sciences practice at Direct Recruiters.
Listeners will uncover:
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Relationship-Driven Success: Mike shares his playbook for developing authentic, high-value connections, building a networking “mafia” of 650+ industry leaders, and becoming the go-to trusted advisor in his space.
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Scalable Business Development: Discover how Mike’s uniquely curated networking group serves as his #1 source of inbound business and lucrative search assignments from VCs, PEs, and top operators.
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Team-Building & Leadership: Learn how Mike develops entrepreneurial recruiters, focusing on long-term partnership over transactional hiring—and why cultivating loyalty to people, not just companies, is the real competitive advantage.
If you want to elevate your recruiting career, master referral-based business development, and future-proof your desk, this is the episode you can’t afford to miss. Listen now to seize actionable insights from an industry leader who’s truly off the treadmill.
The Pinnacle Society: https://pinnaclesociety.org/
Michael Silverstein LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelsilverstein123/

Thursday Aug 14, 2025
Thursday Aug 14, 2025
Are you ready to unlock the keys to consistent top billing and transform your approach to business development in recruiting? In this powerful episode of the Pinnacle Take Podcast, host Benjamin Mena sits down with distinguished Pinnacle Society member Katharine Wilcox. From her start in Hollywood’s talent agency world to running a thriving Atlanta-based executive search firm, Katharine shares how authentic relationship-building and relentless hustle have fueled her success.
This episode is packed with proven strategies and real-world advice for recruiters at all levels striving to elevate their business development game:
- Relationship-Driven Business Growth: Learn how Katharine transitioned from talent agent to elite recruiter, mastering the art of relationship-based business development that consistently delivers repeat clients and team build-outs.
- Effective Local Market Strategies: Discover how focusing deeply on a local market, while staying open to new verticals, can drive sustainable revenue and personal referrals.
- Tactical Hustle and Everyday Excellence: Katharine gives a behind-the-scenes look at her daily discipline, time-blocking, and how she leverages every conversation for lasting impact.
- Actionable Tips for Aspiring Millon-Dollar Billers: Gain practical advice on self-management, surrounding yourself with the right people, and leading with authenticity.
Tune in to gain actionable insights and redefine your approach to business development. Listen now and take your recruitment career to the next level!
Pinnacle Society: https://pinnaclesociety.org/
Connect with Katharine Wilcox on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katharinewilcox/

Monday Jul 21, 2025
Monday Jul 21, 2025
Curious what it takes to rise to the top and stay there for decades in the world of recruiting? In this must-listen episode of The Pinnacle Take Podcast, host Benjamin Mena welcomes Michael Goldman, one of the founding members of the Pinnacle Society and a legend in recruiting with over 45 years’ experience. Michael shares how a surprise encounter in a New Jersey bar launched a career that's seen massive industry evolution—from manual files and rotary phones to the AI age—without ever losing sight of the core skills that matter.
Recruiters at every level will gain a rare perspective on:
- Foundational Confidence: Michael reveals why true recruiter confidence comes from knowing and articulating your value—not your billings.
- Adapting to Change: Learn how technology, communication, and the recruiting landscape have transformed, and why relationship-building still trumps all.
- Overcoming Fear and Building Resilience: Uncover practical advice on conquering the common fears that hold recruiters back and hear actionable strategies from someone who's weathered every economic storm.
- Legacy, Ethics, and the Pinnacle Society: Dive into the evolution of the industry’s premier network and how giving back sets elite recruiters apart.
Listen now to discover actionable tips on influence, consultative recruiting, and more.
Michael Golman on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelgoldman1/
Pinnacle Society: https://pinnaclesociety.org/

Monday Jun 23, 2025
Monday Jun 23, 2025
Have you ever wondered why some recruiters consistently hit top biller status while others get stuck chasing the latest tech trends and still fall short?
In today’s recruitment landscape, it’s easy to get lost in the flood of new tools, platforms, and “silver bullet” solutions vying for your attention. But what if the secret to lasting success isn’t in complexity, but in mastering the basics and focusing deeply on your niche? In this episode of The Elite Recruiter Podcast, host Benjamin Mena sits down with powerhouse recruiter Amy Simpson—Pinnacle Society member and second-generation search pro—to reveal why keeping it simple and doubling down on fundamentals have made her a repeat big biller in the ultra-competitive insurance recruiting space.
This conversation couldn’t come at a better time for recruiters struggling to cut through the noise and for agency owners who want to build a sustainable business—not just chase the latest shiny object. If you’re looking for solutions to the overwhelming problem of tech distraction, call reluctance, inconsistent billings, or lack of inbound leads, Amy’s insights are your playbook for real-world progress.
Here’s what’s in it for you:
- Learn how to build strong, long-term client relationships and an unbeatable reputation so you attract repeat business and referrals—instead of constantly scrambling for the next deal.
- Discover the behind-the-scenes playbook for generating a steady flow of inbound business using targeted SEO, niche branding, and the right digital marketing partners—proving you don’t need to “outbound hustle” 24/7 in order to keep your desk full.
- Get clear, actionable takeaways on how to structure your day for maximum placement success, when to leverage basic tech tools like LinkedIn Recruiter, ZoomInfo, and ChatGPT (and when not to), and how to track activities that actually deliver consistent results year after year.
If you’re tired of surface-level hacks and want to learn what truly sets elite recruiters apart, this episode is packed with the exact mindset, strategies, and daily habits that’ll help you climb to the top—and stay there.
Push play now to unlock the simple, consistent steps Amy uses to dominate her niche, keep family business thriving, and bring authentic, long-term value to both clients and candidates!
Follow Amy Simpson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/insuranceopportunities/
Pinnacle Society: https://pinnaclesociety.org/

Monday Jun 02, 2025
Monday Jun 02, 2025
Are you a recruiter looking to break through plateaued results, build deeper client relationships, or future-proof your success in an evolving industry? In this standout episode of The Pinnacle Take Podcast, host Benjamin Mena sits down with recruiting icon and Pinnacle Society member Cari Kraft. Together, they unpack Cari’s proven journey from accidental recruiter to top biller and esteemed agency leader at Jacobs Management Group. Dive deep into the pivotal concepts of niching down, leading with empathy, and leveraging technology to drive sustained results.
You will discover:
- The Unmatched Value of Niching: Learn how Cari’s unwavering focus in pharmaceutical, biotech, medical device, and diagnostics has created brand authority, relationship depth, and lightning-fast talent pipelines.
- Leadership with Heart: Explore Cari’s team-building philosophy, annual impact-sharing rituals, and the essential blend of drive and compassion in long-term elite recruiters.
- Innovative Marketing & Data Practices: Unlock actionable tips on building industry surveys, launching branded magazines, and sustaining omnipresent credibility through content and outreach. Whether you’re just starting out or seeking to lead a recruiting firm to new heights, this episode is packed with frameworks and real-world stories to level up your impact and income. Listen now for inspiration, tactical advice, and a masterclass in standing out as a niche recruiting leader.
Pinnacle Society: https://pinnaclesociety.org/
Follow Cari Kraft on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/topmedicaldevicerecruiter/

Monday May 19, 2025
Monday May 19, 2025
What does it take to rebound after life throws you a curveball? In this inspiring episode of the Pinnacle Take Podcast, host Benjamin Mena welcomes veteran recruiter Rich Bradley, whose remarkable story blends perseverance, career excellence, and profound personal challenges. With over 43 years of recruiting experience and a legacy as a million-dollar biller, Rich opens up about his journey from leading high-performing teams to navigating a daunting cancer diagnosis—all while maintaining his standards of success.
Discover how Rich leveraged relentless optimism, rigorous KPIs, and old-school recruiting techniques to rebuild his desk after health setbacks and extended travel. Listeners will gain powerful insights into effective business development, the importance of metrics in sustaining top performance, and how community support like the Pinnacle Society fuels resilience and growth in tough times.
In this episode:
- Reclaiming Success After Setbacks: Learn Rich’s actionable strategies to revive a desk and rebuild momentum, no matter the circumstances.
- The Power of Community and Mentorship: Hear how strong industry networks provide crucial support during personal and professional battles.
- Timeless Recruiting Habits for Modern Results: Old-school phone work, rigorous planning, and the discipline behind long-term billing consistency.
Tune in for motivation, practical advice, and the real story behind overcoming adversity in recruiting.
The Pinnacle Society: https://pinnaclesociety.org/
Rich Bradley LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richbradley/
